|New added on April 15 2017: White and Kits
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|New added on April 15 2017: 3/4 Double Bass
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Bai's Violins is looking for violin luthiers world wide for business co-op.
What we would like to work with you is that we make you the white violins, then you do varnish and setup only, you can sell the violins at price as your own made.
If you still want to finish all details by yourself, we can leave some thickness, then you do the final finish.
Lu Qing makes the white violins, violas and cellos for master luthiers from Europe and America, and we are looking for more master luthiers like them from anywhere of the world.
Price will be higher or much higher than many other Chinese makers/factories, but the white violins you will have are very top craftsmanship, sound quality and have no error, so you can directly doing varnish or you can do some final details before varnishing.
The price is only 1/10 of your sale price or may be less.
But if you still think it is not acceptable or you don't want that top quality, then our second master luthers and other luthiers can make you student grade white violins, that price will be very low (but may be still higher than other Chinese makers or factories, possible same or lower).
Please send us a email, then you will open a new window to the world, you will see that everything is possible.
Dong Sheng Bai of Bai's Violins, 2018-1-21
We provide hotel delivery and test play services to all customers who are staying in Beijing:
Since 2003 when we started to do online sale, we have provided the hotel delivery and test play services to customers who are staying in Beijing, average we do 5 services per year.
If you are looking to buy intermediate student, advanced student or professional solo grades instruments, and you have an opportunity to come to Beijing, then do not try to do shopping at any music stores in all over China, because top violin makers in China (only a few in China) do not run music instruments stores, only low quality violin makers (thousands) do that, so if you spent many days or many hours in China to go to music stores, you will be very disappointed.
What we do are, to delivery the instruments to your hotel and you do test play, just the same as you do test play at any music store, but the differences are, we always provide you the instruments just been finished, all you test play are the instruments very new and not have been test played by many customers.
Even we do not think it is necessary to test play our instruments before you make your decision of purchasing, but we will provide you the opportunity to satisfy you.
If you are not coming to Beijing, then we may have sales agents in other cities, please let us know your place to go.
Bai's Violins - chineseviolins.com is the one you just always trust with, leave all violin works to us, all you need to do it to enjoy your days in China.
What are our first Master Luthier Lu Qing's violins? here is the answer like many more references you have read or you will read from our reference page.
Hi Dear Mr Dong
I live in Germany I Had tried several european handmade violin before I bought a Professional Solo Grade Violin from Bai Violins That is a great violin, very easy to Play, warm and open Sound and rich in overtones it sings like a bird with quick Response, honestly I should say that when I wanted to buy european Violin for this Quality, I should Pay Minimum 10000 Euro.
I recommend this violin 100 Percent.
Thank you becuase of the great violin.
As you can see, Saied bought one of Lu Qing's violins (Bai's Violins), he paid the same money as many and many people spent on Chinese factory violins belong to Chinese BIG luthiers in the US, the violins with a very nice label and very big name, the cost is the same what Saied spent.
If Saied wants to buy a same quality violin that is made by European or Chinese BIG luthier in the US himself made, then he will have to spend 10000 Euros, but even he spend this much of money, it is not better than our Lu Qing's violins.
So why do you still love the name and label and willing spend your hard made money on the piece of paper?
The Chinese BIG luthier in the US's Chinese factories made violins are only for those people who don't understand violins and only willing to beleive the names or labels, the name and label were good as they used to make their violins by themselves, but when these Chinese BIG luthiers in the US want to make quick money, then they open factories in China, the makers or workers in the factories make junk violins and these junk violins are stick with the BIG name labels, then the violin's cost is $2500 or $3000, depends on how stupid the buyers are, the labels and their names have become useless unless they made by themselves, but the money is too too slow.
The Chinese BIG luthiers in the US's Chinese factories made violins at the same price what Saied spent on Lu Qing's violins are totally junk products made in Chinese factories just like many junk violins in the world.
There are only a few Chinese luthiers you can trust with, our Lu Qing is one of them, if you don't beleive this, then you can risk your money of $2500 or $3000 on those junk violins with BIG Chinese luthiers in the US's labels.
Today (2017-Nov-2), I have received a reference from my customer from Tehran for his No.498 violin, I have been waiting for this reference for many months, so I am so happy that I finally got it today! as below:
Here is the No.498 violin made of one piece 4A grade Bosnian maple and 4A grade Bosnian spruce:
This is a real violin and it is at professional solo grade by our Lu Qing, the master luthier. When I say this is a solo grade because it is. If after read our so many references from our customers all over the world, you still think the $2500 or $3000 violins with BIG Chinese luthiers names in the USA are real good violins, then I have nothing to say about you except I can only tell you that you would only beleive those Chinese people brand names, you are not willing to beleive that the physical violin with beautiful sound by our no name luthier.
What are Chinese made junk violins? and why? those violins in your hand, made in factories in China for those BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA are the best answer, you love it because you love the brand names and you don't care of the sound or you never know that there are top Chinese violins in the world, which have much better sound than those junk violins made for those Chinese luthiers in the USA, not belongs to those BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA.
Violins at $10,000 minumim by those BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA, are not better than our violins at $2,500 by our Lu Qing. Just forget the brand names which are useless except taking more of your money, and just simply trust our violins.
Today (2017-Nov-6), James wrote to me again for more recommendation:
Hope all is going well with you.
It has been a few weeks since I adjusted to my final setup, including the bridge, sound post, string action, etc. though I still need to plane the fingerboard further a little bit on the G string side. The bass violin is started to produce the proper and more projecting tone to my fondness. The two lower strings make deep tones profound enough to accompany a chamber ensemble yet the upper registers are as brilliant as a cello to perform solo repertories. J. S. Bach¡¯s Cello Suites can be transposed with the same fingering as the cello yet the bass violin has a much deeper tone not only because of the lowered key but produces a more solemn atmosphere. The tone is beautiful, smooth and projecting. You have succeeded in creating a truly professional grade bass violin. I would like to promote to the chamber music communities in the future. This is a great bass violin. I will plan to demonstrate it to professional musicians in the coming season.
Your craftsmanship is at a highest level I have seen. I have a greatest respect for your luthier. The tone wood is solid and tight grain and the oil varnish is beautiful which complements the sound it produces. I am extremely happy with the instrument and wanted to share my spirits with you.
Thank you so much,
Here is the formal reference from James for his No.503 bass violin, I have just received the reference yesterday (2017-10-25), as below:
Thank you very much for the great bass violin.
I did my final set up and the following is my first impression.
Overall the tone is beautiful and warm, very even from the low to the upper registers without noticeable weak or harsh spots. All sounds soothing to my ears with very natural projection and volume. The lower register has a bassy sound comparable to a double bass and upper register seamlessly merges into the cello register. The response is quick with ease and a cello bow is more than adequate to pull the sound out of this bass violin. The craftsmanship is perfect. The tone wood and oil varnish are of the highest quality and beautiful. Just very nice to look at, even as a sculpture! This bass violin with 5th tuning is a great new family of instrument with superb craftsmanship and tone I¡¯d like to recommend and promote to the chamber music communities around the world. It works perfect for a solo instrument as well.
As you know I have a little more work to do relating to the string action, the fingerboard scoop planning and sound post adjustments. The ergonomics and the ease of playing is one of my priority as well.
I will write more later as the setup and the new strings settle in. Also, I¡¯ll include some recommendations and collaborations for the future pursuit to be a world class luthier.
P.S. I'll take some pictures as well.
I have just received some comments from our No.503 bass violin (1/8 size) customer, this is not his formal reference yet, but just some comments.
James of California is a Master luthier and he ordered a 1/8 bass violin from us and sent us with his own design.
Below is his comments (twice):
Hi Dong, Hope all is well with you. I am re-planing the fingerboard now and recutting the nut. The fingerboard arch and scoop need to be properly shaped. I apply linseed oil at every step. As you know linseed oil is very slow to harden. The fingerboard is now dressed with charcoal ink impregnated and coated with ebony oil. Please check the photo below. Also I'm hand rubbing the varnish with mixture of rotten stone and pumice stone and oil to get the proper sheen.
Overall, your craftsmanship is excellent. I will let you know on the sound later. By tap tone checking it seems to be very good. James
Please use the photos and/or my writings, if you like. I will write a full impression and review of the instrument when the set up is done. So far the bass violin is excellent and perfect shape and size. The gradation appears extremely good. My review will not be to criticize but to praise and help your craftsmanship and reputation as a maker. It will include some suggestions for the future projects to enhance your business.
I will be in Germany in the first part of October so most likely afterwards. I will look for some instrument parts when I'm there. Will keep you posted. Thank you for every thing.
(Below is the instrument in his house)
Today (2017-August-05) is another exciting day as I received a reference from James of UK for his two 3/4 violins at professional solo grade made of 4A grade Bosnian maple and spruce by our first Master luthier Lu Qing along with two 3/4 top quality Brazilian Pernambuco wood bows and carbon fiber cases also carbon fiber shoulder rests.
The violins priced at the USA or UK etc local stores $2500 or $3000 violins by BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA for their Chinese factory made junk Chinese violins (please note, with French name label or something), you spend the same money but you get our the topest quality violins.
Their $2500 or $3000 violins are not better than our $300 intermediate student or $800 advanced student violins.
Ours the professional solo grade violins, for example, for James of UK are at least the same as or may be better than their $10,000 violins made by those BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA themselves individual made violins, please note, ours $2500 are at least the same as or may be better than those $10,000 violins.
You buy from your local store their Chinese factory made or production line made junk violins with their varnish and setup only at his USA place, cost you $2500, $2800 or $3000 are worse than our $300 or $800 violins.
Read below the reference, only a few words , that already tells you our quality.
Of course James can buy the violins from his UK local store the BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA violins, the reason he doesn't buy those ones are because - 1. those junk are junk even with their BIG name labels, but junk are junk, never changes; 2. those BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA individual made by themselves are too too too expensive $10,000 minimum, but not better than ours, so why?
Can anyone write a reference like this below to those Chinese or other Chinese makers?
There are thousands of Chinese makers in China, but only a few can make the same quality violins as ours and at the same level as those BIG Chinese luthiers in the USA individual made, and ours are the lowest priced at the same quality, you do not compare the price only, you can see thousands of Chinese makers prices are $50 at ebay, Chinese ebay or many many violin stores, why we sell at price 10 times more or 50 times more than those ones?
If you want to buy names, then buy from your local store the BIG Chinese luthiers Chinese factory made with a beautiful name labels.
If you want to buy cheapest, then buy from ebay or Chinese ebay.
BUT if you want to buy quality at the cheapest price, then ours are the only ones in the whole wide world!!!
(James of UK)
Below are the violins made of 4A grade Bosnian maple and spruce;
Top quality Brazilian Pernambuco wood bows;
Carbon fiber cases and carbon fiber shoulder rests
(Remember, only buy good top violins, not to buy junk violins what ever they have nice names or bad names as they are violins not other stuff from $2 shops made in China!!!)
Please note: one luthier can only make 5 or 20 violins per year by himself, our luthier Lu Qing can make 30 violins per year because he works very hard.
So if you see thousands of violins, with some BIG names of Chinese luthiers who are in the US, for sale in the world, and priced only $2500 or $3000, you should not think that you are so lucky get a this luthier made violin, it is impossible.
The dealer never say, this violin is made by "this luthier", only tells you this is "this luthier's name's violins".
Unless you would like to spend $10,000 or more, then you can get the Chinese luthiers in the US made violins, but not better than our Lu Qing's violins at only $2500.
For $2500 or $3000 with the BIG Chinese master names violins may be made by his or their apprentices or by their apprentices of apprentices, or may be made by production lines....(only cost 10,000 Chinese Yuan to get a certificate for becoming the BIG master's apprentices).
The certificates with the violins sold to you was printed with the BIG masters names plus the real makers/workers signatures also the labels inside the violins.
However the two piece of paper can't change the violins sound at all.
Do not trust too much in Chinese violin making industry, there are too much trick, only one thing can tell you the truth, it is the sound quality.
Below is a reference by an Australian customer who ordered an intermediate student grade cello (3/4 No.c_228):
31st July 2017
Re: Great work by Dong and his luthier for our Intermediate Student Cello
To whom it may concern,
Please note, this is only an "Intermediate Student" grade, not an "Advanced Student" or "Professional/Professional Solo" grade, this is a such good cello for students or experienced students even for teachers.
We call this as intermediate or advanced student, because they are, and they are not professional, we name it basd on the true or real, we do not name a very normal instrument as "professional" or "performance" instruments as many Chinese makers do.
And this cello is not worse or even better at least the same as the cellos by names of some Chinese big luthiers in the USA, for example use a French name as his very normal Chinese factory made very normal quality instruments name, you like the French name label or his Chinese name brand or sound or money (costs you US$5000, but ours only US$800 - the only reason that you don't buy our $800 cello and to buy his $5000 cello is that you want to prove that you have too much money and don't know how to spend)?
Here are some photos of the cello:
This is a professional solo grade violin made for Marco of Italy, Marco has a friend in Italy who is a master luthier.
Marco wrote me a reference about the violin, and his friend luthier only gave one sentence as result after checked the violin both inside and outside, told by Marco, on 2017-7-22:
He saw the violin and said he really done very well.
(the first "He" is Marco's friend luthier in Iatly, and the second "he" is our first master luthier Lu Qing).
Below is Marco's reference on 2017-7-1:
In a perfect packaging is quickly arrived at my home the violin shipped by Mr. Dong. The very accurate packing immediately gave me the impression of professionalism and experience of Mr. Dong's firm. The white violin appears very well done, also taken care of in details and respectful of the indications that I gave during its realization. Now I just have to do with wood preparation and varnishing. However, the starting point seems to me great, so I expect, at work, an excellent result. Many Thanks to Mr. Dong for the quickly assistance and presence during all this time.
Ok, Now, if anyone would like to ask for questuions to Marco about the violin, then please let me know, I will ask Marco if I can pass his email address to you. If so, you will talk to him about the violin Lu made for him.
We have just finished an Advanced Student Viola Archinto 1696 402mm, it sounds very top, this viola is going to New Zealand. This viola only costed the customer very little money, please view our price page to find out how much.
However, this viola is much higher quality in terms of sound and craftsmanship than those BIG name Chinese luthiers in the USA who sell their China factory production line violins/violas/cellos at US$2500/US$2800/US$5000 with some French name printed on their labels.
This viola is also at least the same as or may be better than those BIG name Chinese luthiers in the USA an individual made viola at $10,000 and over range.
This viola is full hand made by our 2nd master luthier individuly with hand tools only from the beginning to the end without any assistance and the thickness distribution is never the same as the plan and the sound is tested at each single step during making.
This is only an Advanced Student Viola, and not a professional solo grade.
Below are two references from our customers, they are only two here, more references please view from our reference page.
1. Our No. 448 professional solo violin customer from Rockville USA:
I had a quick chance to play and look at the violin. Wow, great it plays better than Jay Haide violins that I carry. I am not the greatest player but I will have one of my staff play it tomorrow. Great violin, were in business. I just need the 7k bow to sample then I will put together a package and sell many. I know it will sound better and better as it ages a little.
2. Oliviero from Italy ordered an advanced student violin from us, he wrote me a reference today (2016-11-23) as below:
Today I got Half hour to try the violin below my first impressions:
Sound : very powerful
Tones : full of harmonic
Keyboard : perfect
Harmonic: very clear fluted
Bow: light and sensitive responsiveness
To try: I made scales and arpeggios in fist second and fifth positions
Satisfaction: very satisfied!
Please note, the one Oliviero has is our advanced student violin only, not a professional solo violin.
Here is the violin for Oliviero:
I was in Shanghai from the Oct 24th 2016 for a week.
I was so lucky that I had an oppprtunity to ask World Famours Italian Master Luthier Mr Simeone Morassi to check Our Lu Qing's Professional Solo grade violin for the quality.
We are now more and more and more confidance to our full hand made violins!!!
Many Thanks to Master Morassi!!!
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